Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/23/1995 01:35 PM Senate L&C

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 SL&C 3/23/95                                                                  
              SB 104 JOINT INSURANCE ARRANGEMENTS                             
                                                                              
 CHAIRMAN KELLY called the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee                 
 meeting to order at 1:35 p.m. and announced SB 104 to be up for               
 consideration.                                                                
                                                                               
 MARY JACKSON, Aide to Senator Torgerson, said this legislation,               
 passed in 1986, authorized municipalities, school districts, and              
 REA's to form joint insurance arrangements and extends that                   
 authorization to entities that perform a quasi-governmental service           
 defined as being non-profit corporations, native associations, and            
 native village councils.  The test of "quasi-government" is that              
 they must exercise at least two of the general municipal powers.              
                                                                               
 Number 43                                                                     
                                                                               
 DON KOCH, Chief, Market Surveillance Section, Division of                     
 Insurance, said he did not support the extension proposed in SB
 104.  The reason is because the entities involved under this                  
 legislation could form a joint arrangement; they don't necessarily            
 have to join an existing arrangement.  He was concerned primarily             
 with the financial wherewithal of those entities to bear each                 
 others liabilities.  A joint insurance arrangement is not                     
 necessarily the purchase of an insurance product; it's an agreement           
 to share the liabilities of others who are a part of that                     
 agreement, he explained.                                                      
                                                                               
 MR. KOCH said that mechanisms already exist allowing purchase of              
 insurance jointly and he has no problem with that.  He explained              
 there is an existing federal statute that enables risk purchasing             
 groups and risk retention groups.  The risk purchasing group allows           
 a group of entities to come together, pool their resources, and               
 jointly purchase insurance, but not jointly share each others                 
 risks.  He referenced AS 21.36.190 in this regard.                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked why he hadn't received a position paper from              
 the Division of Insurance regarding this legislation.  MR. KOCH               
 replied that it had been completed yesterday and needed to be                 
 reviewed by "the chain of command."  He said the division was also            
 dealing with a number of other controversial issues.                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR TORGERSON asked if the department opposed the joint                   
 insurance arrangement when it was established seven years ago.  MR.           
 KOCH replied that initially they had some of the same concerns.  At           
 that time, however, it was pointed out that under the powers of a             
 municipality, extending to the school districts, had taxing power             
 and the ability to draft ordinances and enforce them.  The                    
 financial concerns "tended to go away" since a tax base would be a            
 backup.                                                                       
                                                                               
 SENATOR TORGERSON pointed out that there is presently a successful            
 program operating in the state including municipalities and public            
 corporations, so the liability would be spread out even farther.              
                                                                               
 MR. KOCH replied that basically their view has been that whenever             
 unregulated entities share risk, as soon as there are two, you                
 basically have an insurance plan.  There are already a number of              
 mechanisms in the insurance code that provide opportunities for               
 people to form insurers of various kinds.  One kind that comes to             
 his mind is the reciprocal exchange which is a form of insurance              
 company that is totally owned by the people who are insured.  The             
 management of a reciprocal exchange is performed by an attorney in            
 fact so there isn't the normal "superstructure" an insurance                  
 company has.  The expenses are, therefore, reduced.  Two of these             
 are already in the state - Alaska Timber Insurance Exchange and               
 ARECA Insurance Exchange.  There are a series of financial                    
 requirements in place and performance issues.  The lack of                    
 regulatory oversite was deliberate in this type of arrangement,               
 because there were conflicts between state statue and municipal               
 regulations.  He explained that municipalities are generally more             
 sophisticated when they go into the market place.  They have                  
 attorneys on staff and can make and receive the kinds of judgements           
 they need to make decisions.  His concern is with non profit                  
 corporations, in particular, they may not have that degree of                 
 sophistication, so when they make an agreement to share someone               
 else's liabilities, they might not know what they are doing.                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY noted there was a letter of support from Egegik                 
 Improvement Corporation saying the reason they want this                      
 legislation is so they can join the pools and pay lower premiums.             
 Yet, he mused, there are higher risks for taking large losses by              
 joining one of the pools.  MR. KOCH said that was definitely a                
 concern.                                                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked if they would regulate the new units.  MR. KOCH           
 replied that they wouldn't.  Furthermore, none of the provisions in           
 the Insurance Code apply to them, including things such as reserves           
 for losses, including such things as capital and surplus                      
 requirements so there is some floor for finances or trade                     
 practices.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 271                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked who regulated them.  MR. KOCH said he thought             
 they made an annual report to the legislature.                                
                                                                               
 Number 283                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. JACKSON informed the committee that the regulatory practices              
 that the JI's have to conform to are state statute.  The Division             
 of Insurance does not have oversite.                                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked Mr. Koch if the regulations were in state                 
 statute or state regulation.  He replied that if there were                   
 regulations at all, they were not in the Insurance Code and he                
 didn't know of them existing anywhere else.                                   
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked how he defined a trade practice.  MR. KOCH                
 replied unfair claims settlement practices, discrimination,                   
 boycott, coercion, intimidation, misrepresentation are all things             
 that are dealt with in the Insurance Code in Chapter 36, the Unfair           
 Trade Practices Act.                                                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked if he was saying that none of those things                
 would be enforceable with the new organization.  MR. KOCH replied             
 that was correct; they do not apply.  Statute 76 is structured as             
 an exclusive statute, and nothing else in Title 21 applies to it.             
                                                                               
 KEVIN SMITH, Alaska Municipal League Joint Insurance Association,             
 said the reason they support this legislation is because they have            
 received a number of phone calls from non profits and village                 
 councils that are taking over traditional municipal services who              
 are finding that liability insurance is becoming expensive for                
 them.  Some of them are very small with very few assets and not               
 necessarily the sophistication Mr. Koch attributes to them.                   
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked how many municipalities he had in his group               
 right now.  MR. SMITH answered 95.                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked if there were a $1 million liability loss,                
 would that be divided by 95.  MR. SMITH replied there was another             
 mechanism in the form of financial requirements of a JIA that would           
 make the structure such that you shouldn't ever have to go to the             
 membership to seek additional funds.  AS 21.76.020 says: "By                  
 October 1 of each year, the administrator of a joint insurance                
 arrangement shall prepare and deliver to the LBA Committee a report           
 showing the true, correct financial condition of the arrangement."            
 The report must:  have a certified analysis by a member of the                
 American Academy of Actuaries of the sufficiency of the loss                  
 reserves, be certified by a public accountant and must include a              
 provision in the cooperative agreement requiring an annual                    
 determination by a casualty actuary who is, again, a member of the            
 American Academy of Actuaries. The annual determination would show            
 that the procedures for establishing reserves for losses are                  
 actuarialy sound.                                                             
                                                                               
 Number 350                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked if there were two reports on file now at LBNA.            
 MR. SMITH answered presumably.  SENATOR KELLY asked staff to get              
 the reports.                                                                  
                                                                               
 MR. SMITH continued saying a JIA would have to do an annual                   
 independent audit including a review of the actuarial assumptions             
 used for establishing the reserves, including a certification that            
 the actuarial assumptions continue to be sound and that the level             
 of reserves are adequate.                                                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked, again, about a $1 million liability claim and            
 if all 95 members pay equally and do they all pay equally into the            
 reserves.  MR. SMITH replied no, if they were to go back to the               
 membership and assess them, it would be based on payroll.  In the             
 case of $1 million claim, the excess insurance would pick that up.            
                                                                               
 SENATOR TORGERSON asked how successful this JIA program has been              
 since its inception.  MR. SMITH replied that the program started in           
 1988 with 37 members over the objections of the Division of                   
 Insurance.  There are now 95 members; they get approximately $5               
 million in premiums each year.  The goal of the organization was to           
 stabilize the commercial market so that rates weren't fluctuating             
 up and down.  He said he had seen a number of commercial carriers             
 cut their quotes in order to compete with a joint insurance                   
 association.  He said they have 60% of the market share in                    
 municipalities alone.                                                         
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked what their reserves were.  MR. SMITH replied              
 that they have approximately $16 million.                                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asked if they had any outstanding lawsuits going.               
 MR. SMITH said he didn't know that and it wouldn't be in the                  
 report.  He said it would probably be a line item where the                   
 accountant said these are the outstanding liabilities at the time.            
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY said he would hold SB 104 until receiving copies of             
 the reports and the letter from the Division of Insurance.                    

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